Joel and Roland welcome back 905er regular, first ever ‘3rd time guest’ and awesome Patreon supporter Shannon Gillies to discuss some of the problems with how debates on urban planning and intensification are discussed, how inevitable public resistance to change is handled, and how it can prevent us approaching the more complex discussions that need to happen if we are to design the best possible cities for our future. And do we need stronger city governments and stronger democracy to overcome the dysfunctional patterns we see in many 905 city halls?

Then we look at the recent revelations with regard to Brampton’s CAO, whose problematic career in Niagara has followed him to Brampton in what many would suggest is an entirely predictable manner.

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The Quadrafonics: fantastic opening and closing tunes!